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The Right of Self-Determination

Sat, Mar 12 2011 11:15pm PST 1
Absalom ?
Absalom ?
8 Posts
David Williams at Matrix Solutions discusses The Right of Self-Determination

Interview with Patrick Timpone:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwmTO1dws_8
Coffee Call:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0KcivEAEIQ

See other videos here: http://www.youtube.com/user/wind0wninja

This is the only thing I've found that's different than whatever else is going on in the "freedom movement". It's not fighting with and/or trying to overthrow the government, it's not going to war with the State, it's not "peaceful protesting", civil dissobedience, global non-compliance, Restore America Plan, "sovereign citizenship", or anarchism. It's not interfereing with their operation.

It is coming out and declaring your intentions to a candid world how you're going to steward the planet. It is "coming together with men of good will and like mind"; "to unite and organize"; and "to assume among the powers of the earth a separate and equal station to which the laws of nature and natures god entitle." It is going to peace with your oppressor. It is "agreeing with your adversary." It is setting up your our own jurisdiction and nation-state. Indeed it is self governing and not just on an ethereal plane. And it is the only way to prove your sanity and competence, because who in their "right mind" would stay under an oppressive authoritarian system of abuse and torture?; Who would not be competent to administer their own affairs? Only the incompetent, only the insane. Which is why they institute government in the first place. A man who refuses to think is no better off than a man who cannot or worse, does not think, or a cow, which has to be steared.
Sun, Mar 13 2011 03:17am PDT 2
Wes Bertrand
Wes Bertrand
95 Posts
Yes, every person has the right of self-determination. Many of the statements taken by themselves here are true. Yet the perspective above equivocates on the meaning of terms, especially regarding anarchism and non-compliance. Just a quick sampling of the video/audio links reveals this as well. The premise being promoted is collectivism or tribalism, not individualism. Also, "pledges" is conflated with "taxes." Not sure what "going to peace with your oppressor" is supposed to mean, but if it's simply "agreeing with your adversary" then that's sacrificing one's needs for autonomy, choice, and respect, as in the context of statism.

"It is setting up your our own jurisdiction and nation-state." What? Jurisdiction is determined by property rights, whereas a nation-state is a collectivistic abstraction fostering mass coercion and obedience to so-called "authority." Incoherent ideas of this sort don't quite fit into this forum, "Absalom ?" If you'd like to like to express some concerns about complete liberty, here's the place for that: http://completeliberty.com/forum/top/15
Wed, Mar 16 2011 06:44pm PDT 3
Absalom ?
Absalom ?
8 Posts
State is your staus, what is your status? It's not a geographical location nor does one have to take part collectivist abstraction to self determine. However, it would be very difficult and why they say no man is an island. If you truly beileve in anarchy and that you can survive completely int he state of nature, then stip down everything you've acquire thus far threw usurption of the system and prove it. Everyone was born equal, naked and helpless. If your parents thought they could do better without the state then they would not have bonded you into it. Futhermore if you think you can do better, then why are you still bonded to it?

I hear people talk about liberty but I see no one doing anytihng to secure that liberty. Rather they continue to collude with the system they claim to hate. Anarchy has no plan for dispute resolution and if you say 3rd party, well now you just created your government. You give your authority away, in every case, the question is, to whom?
Wed, Mar 16 2011 07:08pm PDT 4
Wes Bertrand
Wes Bertrand
95 Posts
Well I suspect you are familiar with the term "agency," which requires consent. If you believe justice agencies are "government," then what exactly is your definition of present government? The folks on this site are for free minds and free markets, i.e., no coercive "legalized" monopolies of force in any geographical area (no one ought to be exempt from property rights and justice). Again, all alleged "contracts" with those in the organization of government are null and void, on account of government's rights-violation nature.

So, are you in favor of a stateless (i.e., government-less) society, or do you simply have questions about how freedom would work in an area where property rights are 100% respected?

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